DISQUS

g33kgurrl · 7 months ago

You're definitely preaching to the choir. This is worse than the addition of the "More" button at the bottom of the page. That made me crabby. This goes beyond making me crabby.

Unfortunately, I don't think Biz and Ev care much about what the "little" people think. Twitter may have been built on the backs of geeks and techies, but they clearly seem to care more about catering to the Oprah's and Ashton Kutcher's and other pop-princesses of the world.

Here's my commentary on the latest change: http://www.ourgeeklife.com/2009/05/12/its-just-...

Johnny Hugel · 7 months ago

Guess I changed my setting when I signed up and forgot about it. It's not something I'd use, but it's surprising that they'd remove functionality like that.

antifreeze · 7 months ago

Amen. The problem wasn't the setting, it was the complete lack of a reasonable explanation of it on twitter's end. Removing the setting (that brought me tremendous value and allowed me to discover new and interesting people my friends were having conversations with) totally cripples the most valuable part of twitter for me: that discovery of the interesting.

Bad bad bad idea twitter. Way to cripple your service.

Orian Marx · 7 months ago

I long ago modified my behavior to not place @ replies at the very front of a tweet if I wanted to make sure others could see it. I took the perspective that Twitter has three levels of messaging... private messages (DMs), messages between people who are in the same network (@ replies) and full broadcast tweets (everything else).

Prediction: Retweets (RTs) will become more important in discovering new people since putting an RT at the front of a tweet prevents Twitter from using a leading @ reply as a filter. This is one reason why I retweet so much and don't just say "@soandso great tweet!"

haveboard · 7 months ago

Perfect example of why this a terrible change: "@mygoodfriend is new to twitter and is very funny. You should follow them and welcome them to twitter" would not be seen by anyone because this new user wouldn't be followed by anyone at that point since they are new. This will not help new users or old alike. #replygate

Whitney Hess · 7 months ago

Perfect example. I couldn't agree more. If they don't decide to reverse this
change, I'm going to have to completely alter how I craft my tweets. I may
in fact never start a tweet with a username again.

haveboard · 7 months ago

I just did a few more test and it looks as though if you start your tweet with @username, it is hidden to those who don't follow @username but a tweet that says "you should follow @username" would go through.

antifreeze · 7 months ago

Right, but even then, just because a tweet starts with an @ doesn't mean it's a direct reply to that person!

For instance: @orian just told me the funniest thing: he values my advice!

No one would see that!

And an easy way to tweet that differently and keep it short enough for twitter? You tell me, I'm at a loss.

I think the whole filtering replies thing in any way should be ditched and we should all just seem the uncensored streams of those whom we follow!

haveboard · 7 months ago

I'm right there with you. I think this is a horrible change. #replygate

twitteruser · 7 months ago

But that was the default so far - only showing the replies to people you`re following. Nothing has changed in that and I suppose, that the default settings was(is) really dominant among twitter users. Lot of people here sounds like, that showing all the replies should be default - that would kill my twitter experience.

devinganger · 7 months ago

What about:

Funniest thing from @orian: he values my advice!

vs.

@orian just told me the funniest thing...

Also has the virtue of being shorter, leaving more chars for the content.

Els · 7 months ago

I was thinking exactly the same thing. The problem with that method though, is it disables the "in reply to" link, which is necessary to follow a conversation from longer than 5 minutes ago.

I can't believe how they can make such a mistake to hide @replies from non-followers. It can't be "because it's undesirable", as there was already an optional (and default to boot) setting for those that don't wanna see those replies. It really is a stupid move.

Gord McLeod · 7 months ago

"@newuser is a cool person to follow" won't be seen, but "Hey, @newuser is a cool person to follow" will be seen. The second one is parsed as a regular status update by the system as opposed to a reply.
Would be nice if people had some sort of option, though.

breezyskies · 7 months ago

Thank you for pointing this out! Eliminating an important element of user control should not be a substitute for coming up with a better design for the control. That's just lazy!

Carlo · 7 months ago

The net effect of this is Twitter just made social software less social.

Seems pretty dumb.

Joan Vermette · 7 months ago

I'm with you all on this -- this blows. It really hinders the flow of interconnected conversations, and doesn't help me find people nor have people find me. Send this away to Twitter, Whitney, please -- and thanks for the effort.

EricSB · 7 months ago

It's a horrid change, I don't get what it buys Twitter users? Perhaps Twitter's problem is one of lack of an ability to communicate? What strikes me as odd is this: Twitter's nature has literally attracked a frenzy of users that many a-companies would die to come close to being able to do. One would think making changes to a successful formula may leave in question the intelligence behind this decision and the people making it. I agree with previous stated facts of having to completely re-think my usage of Twitter. So to the point that perhaps I’ll stop using it as I can no longer easily grow my network. One of the very reasons for creating a Twitter account to begin with. I sincerely hope we can see a reversal of this rather assanine decision and have hopes that future decisions be rendered with closer scrutinity.

maria · 7 months ago

I'm starting all my replies with a space from now on.

JustJon · 7 months ago

I know my comment is the first one on the copied twitter stream, but I want to reiterate that I liked being able to see who my friends were talking to. It let me meet some really interesting people in the 1+ year I've been on twitter (some who have become real life friends), and I feel like I would be missing out on meeting more interesting people.

The whole concept of #followfriday became a joke when it just became people listing a hundred names, but when you find someone who has a mutual interest to discuss, it is far more valuable.

Stephen Michael Kellat · 7 months ago

Well, this will kill the #followfriday phenomenon.

This is kinda odd coming from Twitter. I'm on Identi.ca with the same user name. Evan Prodromou and crew have a consistent vision of what they want to do with Identi.ca and the code is openly available. With a drastic change like this from Twitter, it seems that sites within the Laconica federation are going to be far more stable.

Gord McLeod · 7 months ago

This will not kill follow friday. I've been using the feature as an option since 2008, and follow friday posts are very rarely affected by it for several reasons:

1) Referrals of a single person often start with a description of why they're cool, so they're not considered replies.
2) Lists of people to follow often start the same way.
3) Lists of people from someone you know may contain other people you follow, so if #2 is untrue, you'll see it due to #3.

There are some that are filtered out by this, but that's the point. Would be nice if people had the option though, of course.

Kris C. · 7 months ago

What Whitney said. My followers are outraged as am I. This is not just something to lightly and so callously remove, and then tell US it's because it's "undesirable." Listen to your users BEFORE taking away preferred features, Twitter, or watch them defect to tomorrow's next best thing.

Eduardo Ortiz · 7 months ago

Whitney, you are completely right. They missed the point completely. As a company that provides a service adopted by millions it is YOUR job to educate users and not remove a feature or tool because of "confusion" among the masses.

Like everything in life, sometimes things are not understood, it is the job of those in charge to make sure that people understand them -- again, educate them.

Great initiative by posting this, I hope they actually start listening and reinstate the feature and in the future engage the community in these "small changes" before they take place.

rorowe · 7 months ago

I have to ask: What was so hard to understand about the 3 options for seeing replies that they had to get rid of it?

Orian Marx · 7 months ago

For one thing, I think the definition of an @ reply was always a bit difficult to understand. If the @ was the first character in the tweet, that was an @ reply, but if it came later in the tweet, that is just considered a "mention" and didn't play by the filtering rules. That was never made very clear. Perhaps it was explained under the "What is this?" link floating there, but I never clicked that and I doubt many people did. That link was an early indicator of a problem.

Robert Murray · 7 months ago

This is indeed the stupidest thing they have done in a long time. Initially, I remember having my account set to this setting. And I realized that I was missing 1/2 the conversation. And not meeting 1/2 as many awesome people.

This decision just undermines the organic nature of twitter, and how our list of followers tends to grow. I value each of the people I follow, and each of their tweets have a great potential for impact. I just don't feel I should be missing entire conversations because I'm not following every single person on twitter.

Steve 'Doc' Baty · 7 months ago

There are so many ways that this could have been handled without such a heavy-handed and ham-fisted change. Seeing (even one side of) a conversation someone I follow is having with someone I've never 'met' is one of the most valuable ways of finding new people to follow on Twitter. It is *the* way I find the people that I reach out to; as I'm sure it's one of the main ways people find me.

Following so hard on the heels of the new Twitter notification emails, and their rather stuffy and formal style, I have to ask the question: has Twitter lost touch with its users?

ShellyKramer · 7 months ago

I'm with @kriscolvin ... listen to your users, Twitter, or soon they'll move on and leave you to hang with MySpace! This is ridiculous and definitely takes the social out of the social network. Thanks Whitney - awesome post and you are spot on!

Anthony Hortin · 7 months ago

Totally agree with all the above. I haven't been on Twitter all that long (only a couple of months) and when I first signed up, I just left that setting at it's default. It wasn't long after though, that I changed it to see all replies. I've been able to follow and interact with some fabulous people simply because I've seen them interacting with others. Had I not changed the setting, I would never even had known they existed. As you said, the solution is not to remove functionality and hinder peoples experience on Twitter, the solution is to educated people further in the choices that are available.

John Peltier · 7 months ago

Agreed with the general principle, though I also discover people by looking through the followers and followed of people I follow (and who follow me). There is a workaround, folks! (it's just not a very effective one)

James G. Leventhal · 7 months ago

bring back the @!

samuel Arnoff · 7 months ago

Can we please have the old design back? What gives???

sava · 7 months ago

so I missed all the cool angry exchanges between all the people in the twitterstream screen grab because I COULDN'T SEE THEM because twitter TURNED OFF MY LIFE! jeez. now I have to go back to fb for a life? sigh.

dwag29 · 7 months ago

Just posted this on Twitter regarding the change:
"NOT happy about the @reply change. Twitter is about conversation and discovery. I like conversation & discovery. #twitterfail #@replyfail"

You are right in that Twitter has underestimated its users and how they have defined its growth. I'm actually surprised that they are still leading with "What are you doing?" when it really should be Facebook's "What's on your mind?" (In fact, FB & Twitter should switch those because that's how people use them more frequently).

Twitters USERS made it about conversation and discovery, not "eating a burrito for lunch" which is what non-Tweeps think it is about based on the "What are you doing" lead.

Another GREAT example of how this debacle will hurt conversation & discovery: @SuzeOrmanShow replies to EVERY SINGLE finance question she gets. She has over 11,000 followers, not just because she is a celeb, but because she provides valuable information and actually responds to and engages with all her followers. Usually, I read her replies and then click on "in reply to @user" if I want to read the original question. However, I do not wish to follow the thousands that send Suze a tweet. So now I won't be able to see those replies? And Suze will have to find another way to reply to questions so that her followers see them?

Bad move, @Twitter. RECALL NOW.

(Just saw that the #1 trending topic is #fixreplies -- above Adam Lambert, Kris Allen, Star Trek, Kobe, American Idol... they have to respond)

dwag29 · 7 months ago

whoa, didn't realize i used so many all-caps words there. i guess i'm more upset about this than i realized.

sdj · 7 months ago

Twitter is going to make changes and the vocal minority should appreciate that they might not like them all.

More transparency would be better - ie user behavior stats in the blog post.

That said, is this *really* the battle you want to pick? Lame.

David Panarelli · 7 months ago

I have to agree, I prefer the old @ reply settings. Hopefully we can poke Twitter had enough to get some dialogue and results.

Tracy · 7 months ago

I want to read what people I'm following have to say. Period. I'm perfectly capable of setting options to filter or not. I hope the Twitter folks get the message and restore this functionality.

karinagw · 7 months ago

I give them a week to restore the @reply functionality and then I leave. I do not want to have dealings with people who feel that they should control who I may have contact with. I found both new people to follow or occasionally specific bits of information by clicking an @reply of someone I don't know. bad form twitter...bad form.

For the sake of my son who is in Germany for 2 months with limited internet, I will keep following his people for interesting tidbits. When he gets back, I'll be gone.

Reeph · 7 months ago

Like other's here have said, I really enjoyed seeing the @ replies to others. It turned me on to other people and expanded my interest in the Twitter network. As someone who is still relatively new to Twitter by a couple of months I was happy with the way it was. I think this is a bad move and hope it is changed back by the folks at Twitter.

Steven Ray · 7 months ago

Bring back the @, for the love of all that is better!!!

Matt Balara · 7 months ago

Twitter is indeed 100% correct: the @ reply settings were always extremely confusing. It took me ages to decipher the wording and get it to do what I wanted it to. Unfortunately they're also 100% misguided in thinking that removal is the solution. If you've got a interface text problem, the solution is a rewrite, not deletion.

Bring back the @ settings you silly Twits.

cbarnes · 7 months ago

Add my name to the officially disgruntled.

Please, Twitter, treat your users with the respect we deserve. Let us choose the options we want, for @ replies and other features. If you want to eliminate confusion, how about building clear, consistent, up-to-date guidance into the interface?

EzraButler · 7 months ago

Whitney,

I am going to have to disagree with you on this one.

Two reasons:
One: I have had to explain to too many people that the ability exists to filter out to just @-replies to people you follow. It has lost me followers, and caused me to pull out my MacBook at, at least, one party and walk a guy through the steps. (He still never followed me back :( )
Two: The point of twitter is conversation, and currently what many people do is they simply disregard their main stream. They create groups on Tweetdeck just so they can filter out all the noise of people talking all over.
Twitter is making a declaration: Engage with your current followers, don't just always be looking for a new fix, errrr.. conversation. It's not a numbers game.
Create a search if you want to see everything that happens about someone. I do that with @1938media, and I am able to actually track the conversations, as opposed to a one sided response.

dwag29 · 7 months ago

One more thought: I posted earlier on Twitter that I am often disappointed in a brand I like when I discover that they just use Twitter to "broadcast" promotions, blog posts, etc but not engage with their users. When I look at a brand's Twitter stream I can gauge immediately how much they interact with their users (For an example of a brand that engages well with its 3,500 followers, check out @popcap_games. For an example of a brand which does a poor job of engaging with its 341 followers, which breaks my heart because I looooooove Brooklyn Industries, check out @Brooklyn2009). By taking away @replies in the front of a post, I will totally miss seeing this engagement off the bat.

Now, maybe brands will adjust and write "Thanks for the feedback, @dwag29" instead of "@dwag29 Thanks for the feedback" but probably not if it's just easy to hit the "reply" button which puts the @name first. Unless this is something else Twitter plans to change...

Lynne Polischuik · 7 months ago

Completely agree. Most of the fabulous and interesting people I have managed to connect with on Twitter were found through their conversations with other fabulous and interesting people I already knew.

Connecting with others and locating those you might know is already enough of a barrier to entry--why make it harder? Suggesting that they follow @ijustine does far less to engage a user than exposing them to conversations with others they may already know or at least share interests with.

Steve is right: This change is absolutely ham-fisted and really disappoints me. Given the nature of this medium I would have thought @ev and company would have a better grasp on the way users interact with Twitter.

antifreeze · 7 months ago

GetSatisfaction link to restore @ replies here: http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter/topics/we_wa...

Sean · 7 months ago

Not too impressed with this. Now we have to add unnecessary characters at the beginning of a reply to ensure the person sees our tweet - yeah dumb.

I love getting replies from ppl not in my network. This happens regularly as I ask questions and use hash tags to ensure that people following a tag can see it and it's a great way to crowd source answers - now it's less likely to be successful.

twitter change = feail

supaspoida · 7 months ago

Really don't understand the logic behind this, and agree that the real problem was the effectiveness of twitter's explanation of the feature. If you ask me, this should have been the default behavior, with a simple toggle to ignore @replies to people you don't follow. Having it this way might even reduce the time it takes newcomers to 'get' twitter.

kindredvampyre · 7 months ago

completely and utterly a TITANIC sized disaster. no wonder Twitter became more boring (and with fewer tweets) all of a sudden. great blog you have!

Happy Birthday to Robert Pattinson - turns 23 woo hoo - May 13

Melfi · 7 months ago

wow. thanks for pointing this out whitney. this is a horrible idea. i did the same thing you did with your setting when i first signed up because i wanted to find more interesting people to follow and it worked out great. by taking away this option, it will change the experience for everyone, esp. new users just getting started.

Tonnie · 7 months ago

Twitter is about interaction with, and meeting new people, thats what made it big. Taking away a feature to just do that, breaks it.

I'am not furious, i will just walk away and find another community site that will bring me what i want.

strottrot · 7 months ago

Epic social network fail: Taking away user control _and_ a valued feature with no user input before-the-fact tanks the sense of trust we've developed with twitter as a partner in our work and social space.

BiZZantik · 7 months ago

I think Twitter doesn't think.

Thanks, Whitney, for pointing this out and leading the charge. Hopefully they will listen to their people.

Wendy Stengel · 7 months ago

People often misspell my twitter name -- they use wendywooHOo instead of wendywooWHo; with the change, I don't see the comments unless I search for the incorrect name. Annoying.

Jason Wishard · 7 months ago

Twitters UX was always kind of "meh", but it has been cope-able since I began using it a couple of years ago. I thought they hired a UX person. If so, they need to rethink either who they hired or what their users want. The problem with Twitter is it has become too big for it's own good. The data is so rich now that the simple interface and data filtering points aren't cutting it anymore. Hashtags are a move in the right direction, but with all of the data out there to be had on Twitter, users need better filtering, and by just getting rid of a setting, they have only hindered their growth. Is this a quick test to see reaction? Not really an A/B test, but a "switch it off, gauge reaction and flip it back on?"

And as Wendy pointed out, people take my Twitter name and not only misspell it, but do it on purpose. I'm @periodicdesign, but people will use @periodicmoviegoer or @periodictraveler. When people ask, "why didn't you respond to my tweet?," I say, "What tweet?!" I don't call them by a different name, I use their name. If your name is John, I don't call you Bob.

texburgher · 7 months ago

This was obviously a very poorly considered decision. Extensively considered? Maybe. But intelligently so? No.

Particularly sad for me, since a few months ago I suggested what I humbly believed to be an enhancement to this setting - allowing users granular control over which users they receive @messages from - only to hear from Alex that the suggestion was a feature best left for development by the 3rd party app community. This makes all sorts of faulty user assumptions, and the underlying lack of insight has now manifested in this new @messages change.

Twitter guys: It's a terrible change. And in general, you're misunderstanding and devaluing one of Twitter's key draws (that it is usable via multiple entry points, from SMS to various API consumer apps, to the twitter.com website itself) by pushing feature development responsibilities out to app development communities.

sloped · 7 months ago

Completely agree. Twitter removed an option because they didn't want to rewrite poor documentation. I'm sure most of you knew what the options meant, but if you look at them from a new users perspective it is a little confusing. Twitter just needed better documentation and instead of sitting down to do the work they just deleted the option all together.

Michael J. Pratt · 7 months ago

This one is so obvious, I feel I can't add anything to all the wonderful comments you have received so I will say this:

Clearly this is a MONSTER topic on Twitter (see #fixreplies) so let's turn it into an experiment on how effective Twitter can be as a force of change (or perhaps how bullheaded @ev and @biz can be in their new celebrity)

Who wants to make odds on when it gets fixed?

On a side note: (not data supported) I would think that (for now) the majority of Twitter traffic emanates from the US. So why on earth would Twitter take down the service at noon pacific time for 1 hr as opposed to, say 3am?

Miguel Rodriguez · 7 months ago

I agree Whitney, not sure why the heck they would remove a feature that facilitates discovery.

Twitter, please restore this feature.

Chad M · 7 months ago

Twitter says they have removed this behavior because it is "not desirable". Users can decide if they desire it or not by turning it off if they don't like it. Please, listen to your users. It is clearly desirable.

missmotorcade · 7 months ago

thanks, whitney - excellent post on an epic twitter #fail - like you, i use the @ replies to add new users to my stream and see how and why others are interacting with people i follow. this change makes absolutely no sense, and i hope that @ev, @biz and everyone else @ twitter get the memo and restore the original functionality.

mike pratt: over under is five business days.

A.J. Kandy · 7 months ago

It's definitely a desirable feature. But let's just say this -- there are alternatives like identi.ca (run by Evan Prodromou of Wikitravel), itself based on the open-source Laconica. If the Twitter peeps don't restore the proper behaviour, at least as an 'expert user' setting, why don't we all just move en masse?

cchastain · 7 months ago

Twitters removal of open @replies is tantamount to a complete lack of faith AND a complete misunderstanding of their users. Get a clue @ev @biz.

Kate · 7 months ago

I hate it! It's completely removed the social aspect of Twitter. A significant number of the people I am following, I found because I could see other people's @replies. Plus, most of the people I interact with post more replies than updates, so I'm only seeing a fraction of their tweets, which makes Twitter very boring.

@Spidermint · 7 months ago

ok, I'm going to be cynical here (forget usage patterns, blah blah blah)

Cutting out the @all at replies option will reduce twitters server load significantly!

Now I am not familiar with the Twitter database structure but I know that cutting an option like the @all reply will significantly reduce the calls the servers need to make per tweet per second. From now on the servers don't have to cross check users account to see if they have this option selected. This would have been painful for the server load before, because regardless as to whether you had changed this option or not, the server scripts would still have to have checked it.

With users on the increase and money coming in at a minimum as CEO I would certainly be looking for ways to keep the service up an running without buying another tower block of servers?

Sorry for getting a lit bit geeky. Anyway, I'm sure providing the best service comes way before profit and loss margins. I mean who would have thought a company trying to make money would have any ulterior motives!? ;0)

@lorynx · 7 months ago

That's insane!!!

philbaumann · 7 months ago

It's perhaps the dumbest thing Twitter's done.

I'm wondering now: does @Twitter actually understand Twitter? Does the team "get" Twitter. Hard to believe; kinda ironic if true.

If I were one of the VCs who invested in Twitter, I'd be holding a sit-down with the team.

Orian Marx · 7 months ago

@spidermint that is exactly what I was thinking. Most likely the feature is "undesirable" from a technical standpoint and is simply being concealed as undesirable from a user feature standpoint. The alternative to cross checking would be to make all accounts receive all @ replies all the time, and perhaps leave it to clients like TweetDeck to filter locally if the user chooses. The problem with this is, given that the default option was to not view @ replies to people you don't follow, switching to "all @ replies all the time" might be a huge server-side burden in and of itself.

Todd Dietrich · 7 months ago

Saying that this was a bad idea would be a gross understatement. Twitter has severely reduced the effectiveness of their service by removing this feature.

Jay Fanelli · 7 months ago

Not to pimp my own Twitter feed, but apparently the chances of you ever seeing this tweet are now severely diminished:

"If I wanted to only talk to people I already knew, I wouldn't need @Twitter in the first place. #fixreplies"

http://twitter.com/jayfanelli/status/1784446028

Soo · 7 months ago

Nothing new to add, but you have my support! that was a great way to meet new people!

lwcavallucci · 7 months ago

Being able to see who my friends are talking to is the key to how I have developed such an incredible base of people who all add a great deal of worth to both my Twitter stream and to my life. This is an important feature. Please bring it back.

WaltRibeiro · 7 months ago

This is the dumbest thing. Ever. All your friends were strangers at one point - and to exclude strangers from meeting and connecting in the first place (just because they don't follow each other) it defeats everything that makes Twitter (and relationships) work.

ebuie · 7 months ago

This change was the first time I realized that this had an option, but it is something I had been wishing for for some time. Now that I know I used to have the option, I want it back.

Dear Twitter, if an option is confusing, the solution is to redesign the interaction or explain the option better. Yanking it is not the answer.

Orian Marx · 7 months ago

As it turns out, it *was* an engineering problem concealed as a UX problem. That's pretty lame but not surprising. @Spidermint and I were right on the mark:

http://blog.twitter.com/2009/05/whoa-feedback.html
http://blog.twitter.com/2009/05/we-learned-lot....

Victoria · 7 months ago

I just read this article about Twitter's change and thought you might be interested in it. http://lauraminer.com/post/107337770/now-we-can...

ravm · 5 months ago

Nice post. Thanks for sharing, Victoria. What a great way to use this new feature!